Inquiring mind still wants to know....and HFS+

[jim bob and joe bob]

Can xwindows be used with Debian woody on an old world mac? Has anyone
had success with it? I have had none so far and have been trying off
and on for 5 or 6 months on 2 separate machines.

HFS HFS+: MacOS 8 or 8.1 was the first to implement HFS+. All versions
through 9.1 can read HFS, probably all the way to the latest release of
X but I don't know that for sure. From linux you will likely see more
than one file on a HFS+ device/partition. The file you are sure to see
is 'Where have all my files gone?'. That is the only one readily
visible to MacOS but linux shows the invisible Desktop files.
kk

[Bob Ashley]

jim bob and joe bob wrote:
-snip-

Post by jim bob and joe bob
From linux you will likely see more
than one file on a HFS+ device/partition.

James wrote:
-snip-

Post by jim bob and joe bob
If you can see all your files, it's
HFS. If you see but one file, it's HFS+.

These two estimations of what one is likely see with HFS+ appear to be
contradicting each other? In fairness, James said it had been quite a
long time since needing to concern himself with this. On the other hand,
what he says jibes logically with the Debian's install notes.

Either way, I'm a little messed up now! :-) Oh well, I like a mystery.

Can't I just use Disk Tools or something like that to find out if what
I've got is HFS or HFS+? I'd have checked it out already, but I don't
have the thing de-mothballed yet. Maybe I oughta roll up my sleeves.

:-)

Bob

[jim bob and joe bob]

Post by Bob Ashley
-snip-

From linux you will likely see more than one file on a HFS+
device/partition.

-snip-

If you can see all your files, it's
HFS. If you see but one file, it's HFS+.

These two estimations of what one is likely see with HFS+ appear to be
contradicting each other? In fairness, James said it had been quite a
long time since needing to concern himself with this. On the other hand,
what he says jibes logically with the Debian's install notes.
Either way, I'm a little messed up now! :-) Oh well, I like a mystery.
Can't I just use Disk Tools or something like that to find out if what
I've got is HFS or HFS+? I'd have checked it out already, but I don't
have the thing de-mothballed yet. Maybe I oughta roll up my sleeves.
:-)
Bob

I guess I wasn't clear in what I said. This is speaking from my own
experience and your mileage may vary. Linux can read everything on an
HFS disk but not everything on HFS+. The one file you are sure to see
from both linux and pre-HFS+ mac os is "Where have all my files gone?".
From pre-HFS+ mac os you can see only that one from the finder. I
think you can probably see some of the "housekeeping" files from a disk
utility. Linux will show you the "housekeeping" files from the CLI but
nothing else useful on the disk.
kk

[I R A Darth Aggie]

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:04:25 -0400,

+ -snip-
+ > From linux you will likely see more
+ > than one file on a HFS+ device/partition.
+
+ -snip-
+ > If you can see all your files, it's
+ > HFS. If you see but one file, it's HFS+.
+
+ These two estimations of what one is likely see with HFS+ appear to be
+ contradicting each other?

Not really. I'd forgotten about the existance of the desktop database
files, so you may see 3 files there.

+ Can't I just use Disk Tools or something like that to find out if what
+ I've got is HFS or HFS+?

Yeah, that'll probably work just fine.

James

[jim bob and joe bob]

Post by I R A Darth Aggie
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:04:25 -0400,

+ -snip-
+ > From linux you will likely see more
+ > than one file on a HFS+ device/partition.
+
+ -snip-
+ > If you can see all your files, it's
+ > HFS. If you see but one file, it's HFS+.
+
+ These two estimations of what one is likely see with HFS+ appear to be
+ contradicting each other?

Not really. I'd forgotten about the existance of the desktop database
files, so you may see 3 files there.

+ Can't I just use Disk Tools or something like that to find out if what
+ I've got is HFS or HFS+?

Yeah, that'll probably work just fine.
James

If you get info the resulting box will tell all.
kk

[Bob Ashley]

Thanks, James and kk. Your inputs are really helpful.

Bob

Post by jim bob and joe bob

Post by I R A Darth Aggie
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:04:25 -0400,

+ -snip-
+ > From linux you will likely see more + > than one file on a HFS+
+ -snip-
+ > If you can see all your files, it's
+ > HFS. If you see but one file, it's HFS+.
+ + These two estimations of what one is likely see with HFS+ appear
to be + contradicting each other?

Not really. I'd forgotten about the existance of the desktop database
files, so you may see 3 files there.

+ Can't I just use Disk Tools or something like that to find out if
what + I've got is HFS or HFS+?

Yeah, that'll probably work just fine.
James

If you get info the resulting box will tell all.
kk